-- Posted by LyleDCasterline on 10:33 am on Mar. 22, 2001

According to the latest wad of horse biscuits tossed our way by the UN's climate guys. The earth is on the verge of being tossed into the flaming pits of hell, where it's oceans will engulf coastal areas and plagues and famines of biblical proportion will kill us all off.

OK time for a reallity check.....

About 2% of greenhouse gasses are manmade, the rest come from decaying organic matter, volcanos and other natural sources.

The frost free growing zone in the US has traveled 100 mile south in the last 50 years.

Earth has COOLED .5*C in the last 20 years according to the best measurements available.

The Bering glacier in Alaska is still growing, and the land that the Vikings settled to farm in Greenland is now covered by glaciers.

Recently a group of researchers has discovered a natural cooling effect over the Pacific Ocean. In laymans terms as it gets warmer fewer heat trapping cirrus clouds are formed, and more heat reflecting thunderhead clouds are formed, thus regulating the temperature. This has been dubbed the negative feedback iris effect, and the researchers say that is is more than strong enough to deal with increases in CO2, and other greenhouse gasses.

As temperature and CO2 increase, it has been demonstrated that trees, plants and crops became much more effiecent in remove the CO2 from the atmosphere. Thereby removing more carbon from the air, and producing a better, higher quality yield.

In a study in North Dakota researchers studied sediment samples collected from lakes and determing that "Dust Bowl" type droughts and worse, have been common it the last 2000 years.

Many climatologists now believe that we are just now recovering from a "little ice age", as part of the oscillating weather patterns that have a period of about 1500 to 2000 years. They observe that the earth cooled about 1.7*C between 1500 to 1900AD.

Last but not least, it is well know in climalogical circles that computer models of atmospherics do a rotten job of modelling clouds, mainly because we do not understand clouds, so cannot make a model of them. Taken together with the negative iris effect of clouds above, I believe that we don't know enough to predict the weather tommorow much less 100 years from now.

I am very happy that Pres. Bush has backed away from the edge on CO2 emissions. It has been estimated that the cost of implementing the kyoto accords would be on the order of 120 billion dollars annually. that would mean an increase of about $1200 dollars per year per household in the US. I don't know about you, but I don't think I could afford that.

-- Posted by phoenix7of7 on 11:51 am on Mar. 22, 2001

Great Post Lyle! A little sanity and commonsense in an area epidemic with misinformation.

By the way, the Flathead Board is onsite right now taking a look see at our operation. But I don't think your Mom is with them. Just 2 ladies, middle-aged.

-- Posted by merlin419 on 2:10 pm on Mar. 23, 2001

It like the phrase "For the good of the Children" we must outlaw your guns. Now we must stiffle your economy and redistribute the wealth while we pollute the rest of the Earth.

-- Posted by Henrietta Bowman on 3:29 pm on Mar. 24, 2001

Excellent post, Lyle! David Rockefeller has stated the world is only one major crisis away from accepting world governance. In true Hegelian fashion, the environment is being used as the instrument to deliver it to the elites. The words of the eco-nuts show their intentions.

--Henrietta

"...all of us here at the policy-making level have had experience with directives...from the White House.... The substance of them is that we shall use our grant-making power so as to alter our life in the United States that we can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union." --H. Rowan Gaither, Jr., President - Ford Foundation
(as told to Norman Dodd, Congressional Reese Commission 1954)
NOTE: the Rockefeller, Ford and Pew foundations are main financiers of the globalist/eco movements.

"To keep global resource use within prudent limits while the poor raise their living standards, affluent societies need to consume less.
Population, consumption, technology, development, and the environment are linked in complex relationships that bear closely on human welfare in the global neighbourhood. Their effective and equitable management calls for a systemic, long-term, global approach guided by the principle of sustainable development, which has been the central lesson from the mounting ecological dangers of recent times. Its universal application is a priority among the tasks of global governance." --United Nations, Our Global Neighborhood 1995

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed - and hence clamorous to be led to safety - by menacing them with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken

"...The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can't let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the U.S. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are. And it is important to the rest of the world to make sure that they don't suffer economically by virtue of our stopping them." - Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund

"Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs." - John Davis, editor of Earth First Journal

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H.L. Mencken

"Cannibalism is a radical but realistic solution to the problem of overpopulation." - Lyall Watson, The Financial Times - July 15, 1995

"Protecting the environment is a ruse. The goal is the political and economic subjugation of most men by the few, under the guise of preserving nature." - J.H. Robbins

"Global sustainability requires: the deliberate quest of poverty....reduced resource consumption...and set levels of mortality control." - Professor Maurice King

"The environmentalist's dream is an Egalitarian society based on rejection of economic growth, a smaller population, eating lower on the food chain, consuming a lot less, and sharing a much lower level of resources much more equally." - Aaron Wildavsky

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect." - Richard Benedict, State Dept./Conservation Foundation

"Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun." - Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University

"The secret to David McTaggart's (early officer in Greenpeace) success is the secret to Greenpeace's success: It doesn't matter what is true...it only matters what people believe is true...You are what the media define you to be. Greenpeace became a myth, and a myth-generating machine." - Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace.

"Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover the source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it." - Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute

"We've got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing--in terms of economic policy and environmental policy." - Timothy Wirth, former U.S. Senator (D-Colorado)

"We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects....We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land." - David Foreman, Earth First

"The collective needs of non-human species must take precedence over the needs and desires of humans." - Dr. Reed F. Noss, The Wildlands Project

"As radical environmentalists, we can see AIDS not as a problem, but as a necessary solution." - Miss Ann Thropy (pseudonym), Earth First Journal

"The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing....This is to say that the rise of human civilization is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to the world in the long run." - Economist editorial

"I suspect that the politicians and businessmen who are jumping on the environmental bandwagon don't have the slightest idea of what they are getting into. They are talking about emission control devices on automobiles, while we are talking about bans on automobiles." - Dennis Hayes, Eart Day Agenda

"The invention of the concept of sustainable human development and that of so-called human security, as opposed to territorial security of nation-states, and its promotion by the UN is in clear contradiction to all that we, the Group of 77, and the UN Charter itself consider inalienable, namely national sovereignty and security." - Pranab Mukherjee, India's Minister Of  Commerce- Earth Times, Oct.15,1994

"It's (the prospect of cheap fusion energy) the worst thing that could happen to the planet." - Jeremy Rifkin

"If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." - Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund

"Christianity is our foe. If animal rights is to succeed, we must destroy the Judeo-Christian Religious tradition." - Peter Singer, the father of Animal Rights

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 per day." - Dr. Jacques Cousteau

"I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems." - John Davis, editor of Earth First Journal

"We reject the idea of private property." - Peter Berle, President of National Audubon Society

"People are the cause of all the problems, we have too many of them; we need to get rid of some of them, and this (ban of DDT) is as good a way as any." - Charles Wurster, Environmental Defense Fund

"This is a political game. It has nothing to do with science. It has nothing to do with health and safety." - Sherry Neddick, Greenpeace

-- Posted by LyleDCasterline on 10:28 am on Mar. 25, 2001

I too have a radical solution to over population. I say that all these freaks that support it, be the first ones into the soyland green maker. Let em put there money where their mouths are....

Now I think I'll go pour some salt on some slugs.


(Edited by LyleDCasterline at 8:21 am on Mar. 25, 2001)

-- Posted by Dave Lyons on 2:43 pm on Mar. 25, 2001

Great post Lyle. And, naturally, there is more to it.

I've sailed in all the oceans of our little world and observed a few things while doing so. Oceans have a continuous evaporation going on. When evaporation takes place, it is a great cooling engine. If temperatures of the water rise, the evaporation rate rises increasing the cooling effect. When you step out of a shower, the water evaporating from your body makes you feel cooler. Same thing in the oceans.

Ever notice how the environmentalist holler about the ozone hole widening over the south pole? What they don't want us to know is what causes the ozone — it's the sun. Infrared excites O and O² and when they get excited, heehee, they act like two young teen's; they want to get together and make O³. O³ is Ozone. There's a funny thing about summertime in the north, it's winter in the south and the south pole is pointing away from the sun. When it points away from the sun, there is no UV available to excite our teenage O's and O²'s. Also, when the ozone layer weakens, UV penetrates a little farther into a much richer batch of free Oxygen and Oxygen² increasing the rate of O³ production.

One more thing about ozone depleting chemicals — freon. Freon is much heavier than air. The environmentalist want us to believe that released freon goes directly to the ozone layer. If it's much heavier than air, how does it get there? It's true that they have detected a small amount of freon in the ozone layer but it is negligable. Those freon molecules, like a watchful parent, brake up the O³ into O and O² where they are again available to be once more excited by UV from the sun, and, as with all of nature, the cycle continues.

Dave
smile

-- Posted by LyleDCasterline on 4:20 pm on Mar. 25, 2001

As you prove, all it takes is a little knowledge, and a little common sense to poke holes in the crap that circulates as truth these days....

I wrote the above post after about 1.5 hours of research of various scientific web site on the internet. All it takes is a desire to know the truth, and you can find it.....

This, more than anything, shows the depths our society has sunk to; No one knows or for that matter cares....must be to busy watching the dvd of some politically correct movie on their big screens, (full disclosure: which I own as well!), to find out if the continous stream of feces eminating from their boob tube has any basis in reality.

-- Posted by SoCalBruno on 10:39 am on April 8, 2001

Quote: from LyleDCasterline on 12:20 am on Mar. 25, 2001
I wrote the above post after about 1.5 hours of research of various scientific web site on the internet. All it takes is a desire to know the truth, and you can find it.....

Not that I disagree with your mini-dissertation, but 90 minutes of research on the Internet...well, let's just say I wouldn't take it to the bank.  I can prove anything with that approach.

Great post, anyhow. :)

-- Posted by SoCalBruno on 10:44 am on April 8, 2001

All I know is, our high today is twenty degrees colder than average.  The entire week has been this way.

Global cooling, anyone?

-- Posted by LyleDCasterline on 8:47 pm on April 10, 2001

Well socal fine, but I used recognised sceintific sites with massive amounts of data, totally disconnected from my research, like volcanologist web sites....(Mt. Pinotubo expended 250,000 tons of sulfer dioxide in the first 24 hours of its eruption)....ect.

So I guess my "mini dissertation" isn't as bogus as you make it out to be.

As far as global cooling we (SW Idaho) have had record lows for the past 3 nights.