Camps
for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision
Wed Aug 14
68.98.68.169
Los
Angeles Times
Wednesday, 14 August, 2002
Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he
deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him from merely being a
political
embarrassment to being a constitutional menace.
Ashcroft's plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow him
to order the indefinite incarceration of
them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by declaring
them enemy combatants.
The proposed camp plan should trigger immediate congressional hearings and
reconsideration of Ashcroft's fitness for this important office. Whereas
Al Qaeda is a threat to the lives of our citizens, Ashcroft has become
clear and present threat to our liberties.
The camp plan was forged at an optimistic time for Ashcroft's small inner
circle, which has been carefully watching two test cases to see whether
this vision could become a reality. The cases of Jose Padilla and Yaser
Esam Hamdi will determine whether
and subject to the arbitrary and unchecked authority of the government.
Hamdi has been held without charge even though the facts of his case are
virtually identical to those in the case of John Walker Lindh. Both Hamdi
and Lindh were captured in
Yet Lindh was given a lawyer and a trial, while Hamdi rots in a floating
Navy brig in
This week, the government refused to comply with a federal judge who ordered
that he be given the underlying evidence justifying Hamdi's treatment. The
Justice Department has insisted that the judge must simply accept its
declaration and cannot interfere with the president's absolute authority
in "a time of war."
In Padilla's case, Ashcroft initially claimed that the arrest stopped a plan
to detonate a radioactive bomb in
administration later issued an embarrassing correction that there was
no evidence Padilla was on such a mission. What is clear is that Padilla
is an American citizen and was arrested in the
that should trigger the full application of constitutional rights.
Ashcroft hopes to use his self-made "enemy combatant" stamp for any
citizen
whom he deems to be part of a wider terrorist conspiracy.
Perhaps because of his discredited claims of preventing radiological
terrorism, aides have indicated that a "high-level committee" will
recommend
which citizens are to be stripped of their constitutional rights and sent
to Ashcroft's new camps.
Few would have imagined any attorney general seeking to reestablish such
camps for citizens. Of course, Ashcroft is not considering camps on the
order of the internment camps used to incarcerate Japanese American
citizens in World War II. But he can be credited only with thinking
smaller; we have learned from painful experience that unchecked authority,
once tasted, easily becomes insatiable.
We are only now getting a full vision of Ashcroft's
predecessors dreamed of creating a great society or a nation unfettered
by racism. Ashcroft seems to dream of a country secured from itself,
neatly contained and controlled by his judgment of loyalty.
For more than 200 years, security and liberty have been viewed as coexistent
values. Ashcroft and his aides appear to view this relationship as lineal,
where security must precede liberty.
Since the nation will never be entirely safe from terrorism, liberty has
become a mere rhetorical justification for increased security.
Ashcroft is a catalyst for constitutional devolution, encouraging citizens
to accept autocratic rule as their only way of avoiding massive terrorist
attacks.
His greatest problem has been preserving a level of panic and fear that would
induce a free people to surrender the rights so dearly won by their ancestors.
In "A Man for All Seasons," Sir Thomas More was confronted by a young
lawyer,
Will Roper, who sought his daughter's hand. Roper proclaimed that he would
cut down every law in
More's response seems almost tailored for Ashcroft: "And when the last law
was
down and the devil turned round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws
all being flat? ... This country's planted thick with laws from coast to
coast ... and if you cut them down--and you are just the man to do it--do
you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow
then?"
Every generation has had Ropers and Ashcrofts who view our laws and traditions
as mere obstructions rather than protections in times of peril. But before
we allow Ashcroft to denude our own constitutional landscape, we must take
a stand and have the courage to say, "Enough."
Every generation has its test of principle in which people of good faith can
no longer remain silent in the face of authoritarian ambition. If we cannot
join together to fight the abomination of American camps, we have already
lost what we are defending.
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Interament
Camps Map Posted
Sun
Aug 19
RECEIVED
VIA MAIL
Dear
APFN:
Sorry
to sound misterious, but with Echolon snooping I didn't want to
send
a red flag.
My
friend was a dispatcher for the truck lines for 35 years and no dummy.
When
the bases were closed and her trucks sent in she knew by the material sent in
that
they were being rehabed for internment centers. enclosed is the
map
she kept track of them.
Also
you are missing the underground city of
crematorium
below. there was a website that carried the article and pictures.
If
you want, I'll try to dig them up.
Also
unknown is the 350 special forces military men last seen going to
the
Yours
in the knowing Christians.
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Web
site of Concentration Camps made for you! One of the U.S. Plans for NWO
"New World Order"
U.S.
CONCENTRATION CAMPS
FEMA
AND THE REX 84 PROGRAM
There
over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to
receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time
guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal
Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the
The
Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of
illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up
and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases
to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.
Operation
Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be
implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden
Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for
an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal
government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will
head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the
Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.
The
camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the
detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the
camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of
these facilities is just outside of
A
person named Terry Kings wrote an article on his discoveries of camps
located
in southern
Over
the last couple months several of us have investigated three soon-to-be prison
camps in the
The
first one we observed was in
We
observed white vans patrolling the area and one came out and greeted us with a friendly
wave and followed us until we had driven safely beyond the area. What would
have happened had we decided to enter the open gate or ask questions?
This
facility is across the street from the Palmdale Water Department. The area
around the Water Department has fences pointing outward, to keep people out of
this dangerous area so as not to drown. Yet, across the street, the fences all
point inward. Why? To keep people in? What people? Who are going to be it’s
occupants?
There
are also signs posted every 50 feet stating: State of
The
sign at the entrance says: Pearblossom Operations and Maintenance Subcenter
Receiving Department,
We
didn’t venture into this facility, but did circle around it to see if there was
anything else visible from the road. We saw miles of fences with the top points
all directed inward. There is a railroad track that runs next to the perimeter
of this fenced area. The loading docks are large enough to hold railroad cars.
I
wonder what they are planning for this facility? They could easily fit 100,000
people in this area. And who would the occupants be?
Another
site is located in
A
third site visited was in the
From
the parking lot of the Odyssey Restaurant a better view could be taken of the
area that was hidden from site from the highway. There was an area that
contained about 100 black boxes that looked like railroad cars. We had heard
that loads of railroad cars have been manufactured in
In
searching the Internet, I have discovered that there are about 600 of these
prison sites around the country (and more literally popping up overnight do
they work all night). They are manned, but yet do not contain prisoners. Why do
they need all these non-operating prisons? What are they waiting for? We
continuously hear that our current prisons are overcrowded and they are
releasing prisoners because of this situation. But what about all these
facilities? What are they really for? Why are there armed guards yet no one to
protect themselves against? And what is going to be the kick-off point to put
these facilities into operation?
What
would bring about a situation that would call into effect the need for these
new prison facilities? A man-made or natural catastrophe? An earthquake, panic
due to Y2K, a massive poisoning, a panic of such dimensions to cause nationwide
panic?
Once
a major disaster occurs (whether it is a real event or manufactured event does
not matter) Martial Law is hurriedly put in place and we are all in the hands
of the government agencies (FEMA) who thus portray themselves as our
protectors. Yet what happens when we question those in authority and how they
are taking away all of our freedoms? Will we be the ones detained in these camp
sites? And who are they going to round up? Those with guns? Those who ask
questions? Those that want to know what’s really going on? Does that include
any of us? The seekers of truth?
When
first coming across this information I was in a state of total denial. How
could this be? I believed our country was free, and always felt a sense of
comfort in knowing that as long as we didn’t hurt others in observing our
freedom we were left to ourselves. Ideally we treated everyone with respect and
honored their uniqueness and hoped that others did likewise.
It
took an intensive year of searching into the hidden politics to discover that
we are as free as we believe we are. If we are in denial, we don’t see the
signs that are staring at us, but keep our minds turned off and busy with all
the mundane affairs of daily life.
We
just don’t care enough to find out the real truth, and settle for the hand-fed
stories that come our way over the major media sources television, radio,
newspaper, and magazines. But it’s too late to turn back to the days of
blindfolds and hiding our heads in the sand because the reality is becoming
very clear. The time is fast approaching when we will be the ones asking
"What happened to our freedom? To our free speech? To our right to protect
ourselves and our family? To think as an individual? To express ourselves in
whatever way we wish?"
Once
we challenge that freedom we find out how free we really are. How many are
willing to take up that challenge? Very few indeed, otherwise we wouldn’t find
ourselves in the situation that we are in at the present time. We wouldn’t have
let things progress and get out of the hands of the public and into the hands
of those that seek to keep us under their control no matter what it takes, and
that includes the use of force and detainment for those that ask the wrong
questions.
Will
asking questions be outlawed next? Several instances have recently been
reported where those that were asking questions that came too near the untold
truth (the cover up) were removed from the press conferences and from the
public’s ear. Also, those that wanted to speak to the press were detained and
either imprisoned, locked in a psychiatric hospital, slaughtered (through
make-believe suicides) or discredited.
Why
are we all in denial over these possibilities? Didn’t we hear about prison
camps in Germany, and even in the United States during World War II? Japanese
individuals were rounded up and placed in determent camps during the duration
of the War. Where was their freedom?
You
don’t think it could happen to you? Obviously those rounded up and killed
didn’t think it could happen to them either. How could decent people have
witnessed such atrocities and still said nothing? Are we going to do the same
here as they cart off one by one those individuals who are taking a stand for
the rights of the citizens as they expose the truth happening behind the
scenes? Are we all going to sit there and wonder what happened to this country
of ours? Where did we go wrong? How could we let it happen?
www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html
(the
above site is down as of 08/19/01)
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The Coming American
Holocaust? 9-22-98
Note
- The following is an interview with 'Mr. Sea' regarding alleged New World
Order plans for the U.S. and its citizens. This is being posted as a point of
information. We have seen video of the Indiana facility mentioned and it does
appear to accurately fit the description in this interview.
[NOTE:
odds are you won't believe this source, so I have included an alternative
source (page down 07/03/01) including admissions from the Director of Resource
Management for the U.S. Army and from Congressman Henry Gonzales (D, Texas).
Read it and get very angry. - W.A.C.]
In
the spring of 1997, Senior Editor, Professor Ian Stewart, met with "Mr.
Sea" (real name known but withheld) to discuss what he has learned
first-hand about the coming persecution at the hands of the New World Order
operatives.
With
a seven-inch thick portfolio filled with photographs, news articles,
correspondence, etc., Mr. Sea revealed disturbing information about New World
Order efforts to destroy and enslave America.
The
following are some of Mr. Sea's comments. But first, let's take a look at the
man who made the comments.
Mr.
Sea, a committed Christian, is a former inspector for the Joint Chiefs of Staff
and the Department of Defense, with 31 years of federal service: 22 in the
military, nine with the Department of Defense, including two years with the Air
Staff. He's a holder of the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart, the Defense
Meritorious Service Medal, three awards of the Joint Service Medal, all of the
Vietnamese awards, as well as the Joint Meritorious Unit Medal.
When
he retired a few years ago, he was awarded the Secretary of Defense Civilian
Service Medal. He's been around the world to 31 countries on four continents,
and speaks five languages.
Mr.
Sea spoke of the coming American Holocaust of the Government's plans for
dealing with the non-New World Orderites. He spoke of the infrastructure that
has already been set up to incarcerate and execute Americans, and the locations
of the facilities that will be used for these purposes all with photographs,
leaving little to the imagination.
"The
infrastructure is set up. There are at least 130 concentration camps quietly
modified facilities which have sprung up and continue to spring up across the
country, seemingly devoid of activity, yet requiring strange accoutrements such
as barbed wire-topped fencing (with the tops turned inward) and helicopter wind
socks. Most have good logistical supportability, with major highways and
railroad transport facilities adjacent to the sites.
"These
facilities, many in remote areas across our country, are set up to become
concentration/detention camps, complete with gas chambers, for resisters and
dissidents. Generally speaking, they're set up for dissenters who will not go
along with the New World Order. The 'resisters' are gun owners who refuse to
give up their weapons; the 'dissidents' are Christians, Patriots and
Constitutionalists. These camps are set up. I've seen many of them.
"On
August 6, 1994, I toured the Amtrak Railcar Repair Facility at Beech Grove,
Indianapolis, Indiana. There are at least ten maintenance barns at this
facility, covering 129 acres, with two separate fences with the tops leaning
inward. The windows of several buildings have been bricked up. Hence, you have
three levels of security for Amtrak repair barns!
"There
are three helicopter 25-knot aviation wind socks (which aren't the correct ones
to use for chemical spills which require 10-knot wind socks). There are high
security NSA-style people turnstiles, and high intensity/security lighting for
24-hour operation. The box car (gas chamber) building fence is marked with
special 'RED/BLUE Zone' signs [visible in the photo ]. This corresponds to the
'mission' of the RED/BLUE Lists which surfaced in June and July of 1996.
[NOTE:
that is approx. when I became convinced that rumours of similar compounds here
in Canada had a basis in fact.- W.A.C.]
"Under
martial law, this will become a death camp. They're only going to handle
category one and two (RED and BLUE) people there. This box car facility will be
used for execution.
"One
of the barns is large enough to put four box cars into. There are powered vents
on the top of the barn to vent the gas out of the building after the box cars
have been fumigated. All of the buildings have newly installed six-inch gas
pipes and furnaces installed in all 'railroad barns.'
"Since
the photo [snipped] was taken in August 1994, FEMA has allocated $6 million to
make the walls and roofs of the buildings 'airtight' (see article below). Under
martial law, this facility could be immediately used as an SS-style
'termination' gas chamber.
"On
January 27, 1995, The Indianapolis News ran an article titled, 'Amtrak Lays off
212 at Beech Grove: 170 Lose Jobs at Maintenance Center Today.' Why perform $6
million worth of renovations, and then lay off 212 people? Because the people
doing the final executions will not be Americans. Thus, the 'slots' of the 212
will be filled with non-Americans.
"They'll
hire foreigners for this 'cappo' task. Cappo ('chief' in Italian) was the title
of the trustee prisoners who actually killed many Jews for the SS butchers at
Dachau, and at other Nazi crematoria across Europe.
"The
news article also said, '...hopes the yard may be able to solicit work
repairing private train cars, and perhaps subway cars from Washington, DC, or
other urban areas.' The repairing of private trains is a dead giveaway to death
cars!
"The
article went on to say, 'Late last year, Congress ordered Amtrak to spend at
least $5.9 million patching holes in the roof and fixing masonry on the walls
of the giant machine sheds at Beech Grove.' These buildings have been 'sealed.'
They're airtight. The facility is constructed to allow gas to be blown into all
the buildings via the newly installed, two-story, hot air heating
furnaces."
Next,
Mr. Sea elaborated on the two categories the 'RED and BLUE Lists' and what they
mean: "The RED List is for pick-up and execution before unobtrusive
preparations for martial law are initiated. The BLUE List is also for
execution, but at a later date 'within six weeks of martial law declaration.
There are no 're-education' plans for either category' just execution.
"When
you get picked up on a RED pick-up, they'll take you from your home at
night...probably around 4 a.m. and put you in a black van, then drive you to a
helicopter waiting to fly you to an intermediate point. There, you'll be loaded
onto a big 64-passenger CH-47 Chinook helicopter...all black, unmarked and
illegally operating under the Treaty on Open Skies.
"Then
they'll fly you to one of 38 cities where you'll board a 747, 737, or 727.
"You may be taken straight to a temporary detention facility. When you're
RED listed, you'll be taken to a red camp. Then you'll be executed.
"At
some point, martial law will be declared. (Martial law is when the writ of
Habeas Corpus to have a trial by jury is suspended. Instead, of going to the
judge, you go straight to jail for a limited time,) I suspect there will be a
major outage, or some other crisis which will be the reason to declare martial
law. At this point, the BLUE listed people will be picked up. At that time, the
country will be regionalized into ten regions, which are already designated by
FEMA.
"Be
advised that it has been proven (in Wyoming and at least one other location)
that the black choppers have state-of-the-art radio (RF) frequency wideband
jammers, and can jam cell phones and CBs while they're executing black
operations missions (i.e., in your area). This means that your cell phone could
be jammed just before and/or during any action against you.
"In
June of 1996, an FBI agent got hold of the Region Three BLUE List (from a CIA
agent), and found his own name on it, and those of several others he knew in
Virginia. The Regional BLUE List stated that the names on the BLUE List would
be picked up 'within six weeks of the actual martial law declaration.'
"This
parallels the Nazi RED/BLUE List policy almost to the letter. The parallel Nazi
plan was published by Heinz Hohne in his 1966 book, The Story of the Nazi SS:
The Order of the Death's Head. (I've read this book and sent it to Jack
McLamb.)
"People
say, 'It won't work.' But it will work if the 300,000 Soviet troops which are
ALREADY HERE can get the guns. The name of the game is to blackball the people
to get the guns . . . make the militia look bad, make guns look bad, make
everybody give up their guns. Once they get your gun, they've got you, UNLESS
you've got the angel of the Lord at your door. If you've got the angel of the
Lord out there protecting you, it's another story. "The ones doing all of
this are operating out of the highest places in the Federal Government. They're
cooperating with 'spirit guides and mediums' and using astrology and
numerology. The spirit guides are telling them what to do, and the entire thing
is being orchestrated at the highest spiritual levels. Every base has been
covered. They've thought of everything.
"If
you notice, they often do things on the 13th of the month. Mr. Clinton does a
lot of things on the 13th. On September 13, 1993, the brokered Israeli-PLO
peace accord was signed. He waited 14 days, until September 13, 1994 to sign
the Crime Bill. On June 13, 1995, he stated he'd veto the national debt
authorization ceiling. On November 13, he did veto it. On January 13, 1996, he
made a speech to Bosnia.
"Amos
3:7 says that God doesn't do anything without first revealing His secrets to
His servants the prophets. God is giving His people warnings. There are people
who go to prophecy conferences to see when the rapture is going to take place
and listen to all the peaceful prophets prophesying good news and glad tidings.
But if we'll listen to God, He is warning us of the times that are coming. We
need to prepare.
"There
will be an interim of probably just days from the time they launch the RED
List, to the declaration of martial law when they'll start coming after those
on the BLUE List. It'll work the same way it did with the Nazis who had a list
of people to pick up, on June 30, 1934, before they declared their
'mobilization.'
"It's
the same blueprint being used because it's the same spirit leading the Fourth
Reich as led the Third Reich. In Germany, they used trains, here it will be
helicopters and 747s.
"When
Hitler was villainizing the Jews, he hired thugs and dressed them in black
uniforms (our whole country is not going to black uniforms). He was building
concentration camps and setting up a transport system. In this country, they're
now in the process of villainizing Christians, Patriots, Constitutionalists,
and outspoken talk-show hosts, etc.
"Who
will be doing the actual picking up? Foreign 'cops' (United Nations Internal
Security Forces). Over 30 foreign military bases under the United Nations flag
are already set up in the U.S. with the approval of special appointees in high
Federal positions. These bases are already manned with over ONE MILLION troops
from Russia, Poland, Germany, Belgium, Turkey, Great Britain, Nicaragua, and
Asian countries.
"Why
are they here? Because unlike our own troops, many of which along with the
Guard and Reserve of 24 states are being deployed overseas, will have no qualms
about firing on U.S. citizens when the time comes.
"There
are more than 2,000 Russian tanks, military trucks and chemical warfare
vehicles just outside Gulfport, Mississippi. They began arriving in January of
1994.
[Someone in Gulfport
please check this out.]
"There
are 180 foreign troops at Fort Reilly which was confirmed to me by a Brigadier
General. There are 300 who came into the Birmingham, Alabama airport on a big
white Russian cargo plane on December 13, 1995.
"As
of 1995, there were 10,000 plus foreign troops at Fort Chafee, Arkansas
reportedly making preparations for 20,000 detainees.'
"Also
in 1995 at Fort Polk, Louisiana (U.S. Army Post), Russian and Eastern European
troops were deployed under the U.N. flag. [When questioned about this, the
legislative aide of the congressman who resides over Fort Polk, stated,
"Yes, they were there undertaking broad, joint training exercises. And,
yes, the U.N. flag was flying. There may still be some there today."]
"At
the Aberdeen Proving Grounds, there are many Russian tanks. One of the NCOs
told his father that he'd been maintaining them.
"This
is going on all over the country. German troops are known to be at Holloman Air
Force Base in New Mexico, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, and Fort
Hood, Texas. Chinese troops are known to be at the Long Beach Naval Station in
California.
"There's
not going to be some future event when the invading troops are going to show
up. They're already here. When martial law is implemented, these foreign U.N.
troops will be policing our country, carrying out the plans of the New World
Order.
"God
is warning His people. There isn't much time before these events begin to take
place. God's people need to prepare themselves in every way possible. It's not
a time for fear. It's a time for prayer, preparation and sharing our faith with
a lost world.
"We
must always remember Ephesians 6:12 which states: 'For we wrestle not against
flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers
of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high
places.'"